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26/03/2015, 4:40 pm
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November the 1st, consciousness is able to see the presence and absence of a subtle mental construct that “creates the subject”. From that realization onwards nondual perception becomes natural and effortless, as how duality is built has been seen and that is enough to see throught it.

The maturation of that realization over the next months leads to feeling “no ground” to return to, and life becomes a flow of perceptions and feelings without base, absolutely free and without nucleus to cling to. Formations are released spontaneously and effortlessly.

It’s not so much that “there is no I” but what best defines our nature is being a river of perception without any edge to hold on. There is nothing permanent anywhere and all perception (and that includes conscious thought itself) is seen as “one taste”. That is, all basically is the same, mental substance.

The Zen Enso symbol (a circle with nothing in its center, which is often the mark of this phase of taming the Ox) is seen as a remarkably clear expression of what now is felt as “identity” (or lack of …).

What doesnt exist cannot be seen, so I never “saw” Anatta. “Stream entry” seems a far more accurate definition of that realization than not-self. What happens is that you pass from the sense of identity to the sense of a flow or vital process.

From this point, it becomes clear that no one controls anything in any moment, or rather the same controller cannot pass from one moment to the next, and therefore the future depends only on causes and conditions.

Now there is no Way, no forward, no back, past or future. There is only this, every step creates its own ground.


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John Ahn said:

Look into why exactly the observer is imputed by the mind, and although the taste of nondual is maintained, after some time there will be noticing of the self-watcher tendency to come back. That is, we may think we have attained to somewhere effortless and also believe since there is no self that effort is to be abandoned. But that would be the mind’s philosophy hijacking direct experience.

And next seeing how exactly the mind functions, not only in the relationship between subject-object, but in other modes of dualities. Such as good/bad, here/there etc. Furthermore, in entering a stream like continuity, we may reify the flow of time, in which case we have to look into the structure of before/after. The key is seeing how these dualities co-arise and therefore, not real, merely imputed by the mind.

Hope that makes sense

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Hi Stian, I will try to answer, please bear in mind three things, first this text is not very acurate as I didnt have much time to write, second my english it’s not very good on this matters and third, any language have a lot of limitations:

what and how were you practicing when this occurred? What were the immediate circumstances? And were there other realizations or visions of things?

After realization on IAMness sometime ago, the practice is just sitting and being or observing but the practice have some subtle changes as time passes… Also letting go of everything that appears in mind (all day long)

No special circumstances I think when this ocurred, just meditating quite deep, observing, and suddenly seeing something always present, the observer/the watcher is just a mental construct that fires the duality in perception.

I found this words from PasserBy very correct:

The trigger point here is the direct and thorough seeing that ‘the mirror is nothing more than an arising thought’. With this, the solidity and all the grandeur of ‘Brahman’ goes down the drain.

So the watcher is a mental construct, or the mirror is a thought, as PasserBy said. Whatever you prefer.

After that “seeing” the practice changed a little bit from “observing” to “being”.

As I tried to meditate “observing” even mi forehead will feel “bad”, some kind of tactil? sensation at the third eye like a knot. It was as if my brain was rejecting “the observer”. So it was very natural to switch to “not-observer mode of being”, at the beginning one is afraid of losing mindfulness or being lost in thought content or whatever because there’s noone monitoring. But as months pass the reality of “stream entry” permeates and you start to madurate the idea of not being nothing substantial, just a flow of phenomena and a empty knower. And you begin to “just be” all day long.

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